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How rare is my book, Thealm and Clearchus?I How rare is my book, Thealm and Clearchus?I     (Back to list)
Posted on 2009 Jul 15   18:18   (Wednesday)
By psexton (ID:471, Standard)
 
I have Thealma and Clearchus, written by John Chalkhill, publisher,Izaac Walton,printed for Benj.Tooke,1683, at the Ship in S.Paul's Church-Yard. I hope to sell or auction this book. My research on the book and have found no other copies of this exact book perhaps, anywhere including the US,London and Australia. The unusual thing about this book is there appears to be a print error on the title page"Friend of Edward Spencer". All copies I have found later say Edmund Spencer. Could this be that my book not only is a First Edition but could also indicate that my book could have been one of the first "off the press", then proof read, corrected for later prints? On the upper right hand corner is written "3 JC.c" which I don't know what that means. On the first blank page, there is a written note: property of I.Walton. Another commentary is also written below that, can't read, too obscure. Reference to my book can be found in the Hayward Exhibit copy no.130, that book had been rebacked and then taken over by a Robert Schoenlank and then cataloged by a Wilfred Scawen Blunt and was definetly reported to be a First Edition, Second Printing with print error corrected. Is my book extremely rare and is it valuable to a collector??
 
Posted on 2009 Jul 17   13:12   (Friday)
By kend (ID:483, Standard)

Hi, the auction records since 1974 list 6 copies of the first editions for sale, so it is hardly a common book, yours appears to be Ist edition second issue, I think the Edmund indicates first issue. As to value? Based on the Auction records I guess if you got $800 for it you would be doing well.
Posted on 2009 Jul 17   18:05   (Friday)
By psexton (ID:471, Standard)

I continue to search for information and found the book to be in Henry W. and Albert A. Berg Collection of English and American Literature at the New York Public Library as well as comments about a Sue and Edgar Wachenheim III Gallery and something about the Pinewood Foundation. Still trying to research the Edmund/Edward controversy and looking for an explanation of the writing on the top right of the Title page, 3JC.c. First blank page has also a written note,
"property of I.Walton" which I don't know if it is authentic. One auction house has already offered to purchase the book for 1600 pounds.
Posted on 2009 Jul 17   18:15   (Friday)
By kend (ID:483, Standard)

Wow, £1600 sounds impressive. I am confused as to an Auction house wanting to buy it though, I thought they only sold books for other people? If they are offering that it suggests they think they can sell it for more... Seems odd that they are not offering to sell it FOR you. The suggestion that it is signed by Izaac Walton would of course justify the value given if that is his genuine signature as it makes it a unique association copy. Good luck with it.
Posted on 2009 Jul 17   18:38   (Friday)
By psexton (ID:471, Standard)

Yes, they did offer to auction it for me at a fee,but I really am trying to find out what the book could bring at auction. I am in the states, so have to balance out value against cost of the trip. I found a small printed commentary that includes a comment from The Retrospective Review(?) and it states in the commentary that this is "exceedly rare and important volumn".Although I can not completely read the notes below "property of" there is another comment written on the same page that starts"very rare volumn " and continues with Bib An??? Poet(?)ius. That writing is so obsure I can't really read all of it. That commentary in writing , very difficult to see, is another written comment the Isaak( that is how his name is spelled in the commentary) is believed to be the author of the Poems. No such person---- and then other things are said, but I can not read it.
Posted on 2009 Jul 17   19:50   (Friday)
By kend (ID:483, Standard)

I know that rare books are selling for less than at their peak prices at the moment, you would be better off waiting a year for the market to recover a bit. A good guide to the realistic current price would be what the auction house would accept as the reserve. I know they like to talk up values to get a commission but the reserve is reality. It is a rare book but not a hugely expensive one if past auction prices are anything to go by. Is it definately complete?
Posted on 2009 Jul 17   20:08   (Friday)
By psexton (ID:471, Standard)

I am not sure I understand "reserve" when it comes to auctioning. All pages are there. The hard cover is unattached. I understand that a similar book had been rebacked? so I don't know if I should an expert fix the cover to the rest of the book. Would that depreciate the value? The offer came from someone who I had sent photos to so they are aware the cover is detached. What does the "3JC.c" mean? Their commission is 15%, but I don't know if their client list has high potential. What ever their offer, I still have to know the US conversion for understanding. Under $3000.00?
Posted on 2009 Jul 17   20:11   (Friday)
By kend (ID:483, Standard)

I know that rare books are selling for less than at their peak prices at the moment, you would be better off waiting a year for the market to recover a bit. A good guide to the realistic current price would be what the auction house would accept as the reserve. I know they like to talk up values to get a commission but the reserve is reality. It is a rare book but not a hugely expensive one if past auction prices are anything to go by. Is it definately complete?
Posted on 2009 Jul 18   01:17   (Saturday)
By kend (ID:483, Standard)

could I see the photos? my emailaddress is dijksman@msn.com,
Posted on 2009 Jul 18   19:22   (Saturday)
By psexton (ID:471, Standard)

Yes will send some. Unfortunately I will send them back to you by email as I can seem to figure out how to send them thro rare list.
Posted on 2009 Jul 29   23:11   (Wednesday)
By DavidChan (ID:2, Founder, Business Strategy, Humanistic Management)

Kend

You can also upload a photo if you list the book here.
Posted on 2009 Jul 31   16:03   (Friday)
By domino (ID:909, Standard)

- could I see some pics too please if possible? - Cheers
Posted on 2009 Jul 31   16:28   (Friday)
By DavidChan (ID:2, Founder, Business Strategy, Humanistic Management)

Do list your book by clicking on 'Upload Book' and completing the forms. You can also upload photographs using this process. This will enable other people to see the book. The one issue you may have is what value to put on the book. I would suggest you price it high at say £1,000 and alter that when you have a better idea of the value.
Posted on 2009 Jul 31   17:41   (Friday)
By domino (ID:909, Standard)

- found this in an old ref to the library at longleat,
" The Literary Treasures of Longleat.
... A little volume called "Thealma "
bears the autograph of " Iz. Wa." — Izaae Walton, the fisherman "

- also reference elsewhere to another copy -
"...It is a circumstance not notice by John Hawkins...that Spencers christian name is sometimes mistakenly given on the title page, Edward instead of Edmund...such is the case with the copy before us. ..There is some reason for assigning to Chalkhill a collection of small poems...the last of these is dedicated to Iz Wa.., and at the end of the first piece are the initials I.C., which perhaps were those of John Chalkhill...."...
Posted on 2009 Jul 31   21:54   (Friday)
By psexton (ID:471, Standard)

Re: Thealma and Clearchus, I am still trying to move my photos from My Pictures over to this site. I may have to have someone help me as I just can't seem to move them over. The book is quite frail so I hesitate to keep moving the pages. To Domino the question of Edward vs Edmund may answer my question of which copy was printed first since all later copies seem to have Edmund. I can email the photos but that won't display the book to the Forum.
Posted on 2009 Jul 31   22:14   (Friday)
By DavidChan (ID:2, Founder, Business Strategy, Humanistic Management)

To load your photos, you need to fill in the Book upload form and then press save. You will be shown two symbols that asks you to upload photo. Just press this link and you will get a table with instructions. Just click on 'browse' and this will show your folders. Just select My Photos and choose the appropriate picture file.

I hope that helps.
Posted on 2009 Aug 02   20:55   (Sunday)
By psexton (ID:471, Standard)

David, Something is wrong with the website as Press as I have been doing it is not sending my book. I think there is some kind of problem with the system.
Pat
Posted on 2009 Aug 02   21:50   (Sunday)
By Peter Blue (ID:1, Founder, Si7, Dating Site)

Hi Pat, I don't think there is anything wrong with the site as our other users upload photos all the time and I have just done one.

You need to check that your photo is a JPEG (ie .jpg or .jpeg) and can't be larger than 800x600 pixels. Your photo software should be able to re-size your photos.

Hope this helps - Peter

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